Legislature(2005 - 2006)HOUSE FINANCE 519

03/16/2005 01:30 PM House FINANCE


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HB 88 OFFENSES BY MINORS/AGAINST TEACHERS
Bill Postponed To 3/17/05
= HB 61 CHARITABLE GAMING; CALCUTTA POOLS
Heard & Held
HB 108 WATER & SEWER UTILITIES OF POLIT. SUBDIV.
Heard & Held
SB 42 NATUROPATHIC MEDICINE TASK FORCE
Moved Out of Committee
Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled
HOUSE BILL NO. 61                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to licensing for a Calcutta pool as a                                                                     
     game of chance."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SHALON  SZYMANSKI, STAFF,  REPRESENTATIVE  MCGUIRE,  explained                                                                  
that  under current  state  law  there is  a very  narrow  and                                                                  
specific  list of  allowable games  of  chance for  charitable                                                                  
purposes.  This  bill would add "Calcutta pool"  to that list.                                                                  
Calcutta pools  have been held in the past to  raise money for                                                                  
charity.   The  way  that one  is  run is  that  prior to  the                                                                  
sporting event,  the teams are auctioned off and  the money is                                                                  
put into  a pot.   The person  who is the  high bidder  on the                                                                  
winning team  gets a predetermined  percentage of the  pot and                                                                  
the  remaining  money goes  to  the organization  holding  the                                                                  
permit.   Calcutta pools  present no more  harm to the  public                                                                  
than other charitable  giving activities such  as "rat races",                                                                  
classics, and pull tabs, which are already legal.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stoltz MOVED to ADOPT work draft  24-LS0281\F,                                                                  
Luckhaupt,  3/04/05.   There  being NO  OBJECTION,  it was  so                                                                  
ordered.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
In  response  to  Representative  Weyhrauch's   question,  Ms.                                                                  
Szymanski explained how a Calcutta pool works.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stoltz  asked  about  the  derivation  of  the                                                                  
game.  Ms. Szymanski replied that she does not know.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:18:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker   noted  that  there  have  been  three                                                                  
expansions   of   the  statutes.   He   questioned   why   the                                                                  
prohibition  on municipalities conducting  games of  skill and                                                                  
chance  are  not just  removed.   Ms.  Szymanski  declined  to                                                                  
answer.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:20:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LARRY   MEYERS,   DEPUTY  DIRECTOR,   TAX   DIVISION,   ALASKA                                                                  
DEPARTMENT  OF  REVENUE,  testified   via  teleconference.  He                                                                  
noted that he oversees  charitable gaming for  the department.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:20:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Stoltze  asked  how  the  proposed  statute  would                                                                  
interface with  existing statute.  He observed  the complexity                                                                  
of the statutes.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Meyer  noted that  Calcutta pools have  been in the  state                                                                  
of Alaska in an  unauthorized form.  It would  be an expansion                                                                  
and would  have an  impact around  the state.   He noted  that                                                                  
communities  from around the  state could  game on the  winner                                                                  
of the Iditarod.   They would  need to provide gaming  permits                                                                  
and reports  and the state  would receive  one percent  of the                                                                  
prizes awarded.   The real benefit would go to  the charities.                                                                  
Calcutta  gaming occurs  in only  three other  states, all  in                                                                  
western  areas.  He predicted  that  Calcutta  pools would  be                                                                  
exciting events.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:25:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Stoltze observed  that it would  be a  significant                                                                  
change and questioned  the department's position.   Mr. Meyers                                                                  
stated  that  there  are risks  and  rewards  with  every  new                                                                  
program.   From  the charity's  point  of view,  the  activity                                                                  
will be  beneficial.   He stressed the  need to bring  current                                                                  
practices  "above  the  table".     He  noted  limitations  on                                                                  
participation: no one under 18 can wager.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:28:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
In  response  to  a  question  from  Vice-Chair  Stoltze,  Mr.                                                                  
Meyers suggested  that the scope could be limited  to specific                                                                  
classifications  and  the legislation  could  narrowly  define                                                                  
events.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:29:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Croft  asked  what  the  effect  would  be  of                                                                  
allowing  entities  to  do  whatever   they  want.  Mr.  Meyer                                                                  
observed  that there are  social and  economic impacts  to the                                                                  
extension  of  charitable  gaming.  He  was  not  prepared  to                                                                  
comment further on the ramifications.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:30:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICKIE OTTE, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR,  ASSOCIATION OF ALASKA NATIVE                                                                  
CLAIMS SETTLEMENT  ACT (ANCSA),  testified via  teleconference                                                                  
in support of  the legislation.  She observed  that charitable                                                                  
gaming helps to  provide assistance to non-profits  and people                                                                  
in need.   She  stressed the difficulty  of raising  money for                                                                  
charities  and  noted  that many  would  participate  in  golf                                                                  
tournaments.   One  Calcutta  event raised  $800 thousand  for                                                                  
charity  before it was  deemed to  be illegal.   She  spoke in                                                                  
support of the legislation and  emphasized those that it would                                                                  
help.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:33:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SHARON    MCCONNELL-GILLIS,    EXECUTIVE    DIRECTOR,    DOYON                                                                  
FOUNDATION,  testified via  teleconference in  support of  the                                                                  
legislation.   She observed that Doyon  provides scholarships,                                                                  
which  rely   on  revenues  from  fundraisers   and  corporate                                                                  
contributions.   Doyon   Foundation   anticipates   additional                                                                  
scholarship dollars could be raised through Calcutta pools.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:35:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KATHY  MAYO,   PRESIDENT,  DOYON  FOUNDATION,   testified  via                                                                  
teleconference in support of SB  61.  She opined that Calcutta                                                                  
pools would bring in money from new sources.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
AMY FREEDEN,  SENIOR CONTROLLER,  SHARED SERVICES  DEPARTMENT,                                                                  
COOK  INLET TRIBAL  COUNCIL, testified  via teleconference  in                                                                  
support of HB 61, which would provide another tool for non-                                                                     
profit  fundraising.   She observed the  reduction of  support                                                                  
for non-profits and the difficulty  of maintaining funds.  She                                                                  
thought that the Calcutta pools would be centered on golf.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:38:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Stoltze noted that the testimony centered on golf.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
WILLIAM BOMAR,  SETTLERS BAY, testified via  teleconference in                                                                  
support of  HB 61.   He noted  that he  has participated  in a                                                                  
number of  Calcutta pools, which  only benefited  the players.                                                                  
He stressed  that the  legislation would  be a successful  way                                                                  
for non-profits and local charities to raise funds.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:42:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STAN HARRINGTON,  ANCHOR POINT CHAMBER OF  COMMERCE, testified                                                                  
via teleconference in  support of the bill.   He observed that                                                                  
they  have operated  a Calcutta  tournament for  the last  two                                                                  
years  unaware of  its illegality.   He  echoed sentiments  of                                                                  
previous testifiers  and encouraged passage  of HB 61  with an                                                                  
effective  date.   He  added that  they plan  to  hold a  King                                                                  
Salmon tournament during Mother's Day.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:45:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHIP   WAGONER,   EXECUTIVE   DIRECTOR,   CATHOLIC   COMMUNITY                                                                  
CONFERENCE  (CCC), Juneau,  responded  to previous  questions.                                                                  
Each game of skill  and chance should be evaluated  to see its                                                                  
affect  on population.   Addiction  to gaming  is the  primary                                                                  
issue.    The  Catholic  community   is  concerned  about  its                                                                  
effects on  children and about  wagering on college  campuses.                                                                  
If Calcutta  pools  cause addictive  behavior  there would  be                                                                  
concern.  Three  percent of gamblers are addicted,  at immense                                                                  
cost to society.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:49:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Stoltze  noted that CCC sells raffle  tickets.  Mr.                                                                  
Wagoner observed  that they are curtailing raffle  activities.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Stoltze  referred to testimony that  indicated that                                                                  
the legislation  would  greatly expand  gaming activities  and                                                                  
questioned  if the  scope  should be  narrowed.   Mr.  Wagoner                                                                  
agreed.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:51:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Stoltze MOVED  to ADOPT Amendment  1 on behalf  of                                                                  
Representative  Neuman.    Co-Chair  Meyer  OBJECTED  for  the                                                                  
purpose of discussion.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MARK NEUMAN, spoke in support  of Amendment 1.                                                                  
He  noted  that   it  would  allow  a  crane   classic  as  an                                                                  
authorized form  of charitable gaming.  Profits  would go to a                                                                  
non-profit  radio station in Talkeetna  and to sandhill  crane                                                                  
land preserves.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:53:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Holm clarified that  the radio station  (KFAR)                                                                  
in  Fairbanks,  a  non-profit,   has  a  goose  classic.    He                                                                  
inquired if birds  fell into the category of animal  classics.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
In response to  a question by Representative Holm,  Vice-Chair                                                                  
Stoltze noted  that the goose classic  was passed in  the mid-                                                                  
eighties  in  Fairbanks.   All  of the  animal  classics  have                                                                  
specific  references and  are  in the  generic animal  classic                                                                  
category.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Holm questioned where  it would end,  if there                                                                  
should  be  statutes  for  every animal  that  comes  back  to                                                                  
Alaska  in the  spring.  He suggested  that  "animal  classic"                                                                  
should be identified.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:55:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Neuman observed that  the Game Commission  has                                                                  
to identify  each activity.  He  noted that the crane  classic                                                                  
refers to sandhill cranes.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer WITHDREW  his OBJECTION.   Vice-Chair  Stoltze                                                                  
WITHDREW Amendment 1.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
HB  61   was  heard   and  HELD  in   committee  for   further                                                                  
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:57:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                

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